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Now here's a surprise:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/26/barackobama.hillaryclinton?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

And I was sure Barack was related to the Saxe-Coburg-de-Gothas: just goes to show how wrong I can be.
But it is comforting to know he is related to Churchill.

Date: 2008-03-26 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
I wonder even about that: Bob Fripp was tone-deaf when he started out....some might say that explains everything, but I'd disagree. In fact, look at Ludwig....total auditory impotence didn't stop him composing the 9th. Perhaps I'm stretching the somewhat extended metaphor out of its natural place: but I put that down to my personal characteristics (faults, for the uninitiated).

Date: 2008-03-26 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
Hehe. OK. You're providing exceptions that to me prove the rule. But there has to be a reason that monarchies produce better bands than rebellious colonists.

Date: 2008-03-26 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Ah the reason for that is we have embraced our Bastard, Mongrel, and Piratical natures. How else do you get a Keef? Or for that matter a Led Zeppelin or a Who. And the Irish lads are all rebellious, and they produce damn fine bands. And for that matter, wasn't Miles an American? And Bird? And if we're confining ourselves to Pop music, what about Brian Wilson. Jimi, anyone?

Folk like the Cure and Radiohead are a different side of it: I doubt that they rage in quite the same ways.

We had a cultural explosion because of size, the English speaking world, and the swagger accruing from having beggared ourselves winning what seems to have been a just war. Piratical and dandyish fits well with pop music.
Also until the 80's, we educated our able children better than just about any nation, but in the 80's we decided we didn't like paying the taxes for that, so....

Date: 2008-03-26 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
I was referring to the unique phenomenon of the rock band. Rutles, Stones, Cream, Zep, Sabbath, Pistols. Jimi's band was British. I think the best we can do is the Dead -- whatever they were.

I'm not overly dogmatic about it. Just saying. It's intriguing.

Date: 2008-03-26 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Co-operation. Collusion. The 'Gang' nature of a band. Collective composition, collective ideals. Teamwork. All for one and one for all, and all that (and the chap who wrote that was French).
Small scale Anarcho-Syndicalism, if you like.

Many great bands have been together since school or university and are more like families. Zep are unusual in that respect, but they spent so much time together in such proximity that they might as well be considered to be a family-like unit: I mean, look at the divorce....Be that as it may, those bands that weren't all at school together still had the same ideals. U2 are Irish, but they do things according to the same principles.

When we started to get all indivdual at the expense of the collective, which is much more the American way, we started to lose the notion that the whole can be greater than the sum of its parts. Stupid really. You can't crew a Pirate ship by yourself.

Date: 2008-03-26 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
This is exactly what Jesus told me. :)

Date: 2008-03-26 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Well if I'd known he'd got there first....I might have quoted chapter and verse.
He always struck me as having good Anarcho-Syndicalist credentials: he had a good band about him too.

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