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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080220/tsc-science-women-sex-718400e_1.html

One is almost tempted into the overuse of heavy irony here and say "quelle surprise". I wonder again about the differences between nature and nurture.
We are a diverse species and our diversity is a good thing: it enables us to fit into many evolutionary niches, which, as we are top predator and scavenger as well, give us good chances of survival. We are adaptable. We are also stupid, hidebound, and given to sloth and fouling our own nests (mainly because we regard it as cheaper to let someone else clear up after us).
But the folk who have, over the years, told women what they should and shouldn't be thinking and feeling; and what constituted 'normal' behaviour and sexuality (mainly men, it has to be said), have been talking through their arses, where there appears to be no G-spot as yet discovered (unless you ask an homosexual man - some of whom will tell you different). Perhaps all these folk telling women this stuff just had something to prove, or perhaps hide....

What is interesting is this may revive the old debate about vaginal orgasms and Freud. It may also irritate some feminists, but I hope not.

Date: 2008-02-20 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] e-compass-rosa.livejournal.com
"For the first time, it is possible to determine by a simple, rapid and inexpensive method if a woman has a G spot or not." Buy your G-spot tester kit today! Only $9.99...

Date: 2008-02-20 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Blimey surely it'll cost much more than that to start with....how else will women be able to feel expensively inadequate and feel some need to get expensive 'corrective' surgery?
Someone's missed a trick.

Date: 2008-02-20 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thaliastrel.livejournal.com
Well, I'm sure that if there was some way for a man to receive physical pleasure from a woman's G-spot, surgeons' campaigns to save us from ourselves* would be grinding forward as we speak. Oh wait, there's always squirting orgasms. Well, off to the operating room I go!

* NOT EVEN SLIGHTLY SFW

Date: 2008-02-20 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Doesn't that make you a married black male?

Date: 2008-02-20 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Not slightly single, white, or female?

Date: 2008-02-20 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thaliastrel.livejournal.com
No, yes, and yes, and I still don't get it. :S

Date: 2008-02-20 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thaliastrel.livejournal.com
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Now I get it! Heh. Yes, I am very much a married black man. In fact, I'm Bill Cosby. Bask in my cable-knit wholesomeness!

Date: 2008-02-20 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alicetheowl.livejournal.com
I've also heard a theory that the clitoris has "arms" that extend to the opening of the vagina, and that these get stimulated during sex. One recent theory states that the distance between clitoris and vaginal opening is a good predictor of whether a woman will orgasm from intercourse alone.

I, of course, find all this fascinating. Not that I've ever had any trouble, but I certainly feel for those who do.

Date: 2008-02-20 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Perhaps folk will actually map out some of this geography and give the ignorant amongst us (chaps of the male gender, that is) some notion of what it is we're supposed to be doing at least some of the time.

Date: 2008-02-20 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alicetheowl.livejournal.com
I'm all for that.

(I speak for this feminist when I say that. I think we could all benefit from female orgasm being easier to achieve.)

Date: 2008-02-20 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
From my experience, it always takes a certain amount of time to 'learn' a new partner's body. Some women are direct, some not....the trial and error factor inevitably leads to an amused apprehension. The editor in your head always wonders: 'Am I doing this right?' 'Is that a good sign?' etc....right up until the point where you think, 'oh well, that worked thank god' or those humiliating times when you just know you haven't gone about it the right way at all. Not of course that such has ever happened to me....
[Bolt of lightning from clear blue sky strikes our hero and burns him to a crisp.]

Date: 2008-02-20 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alicetheowl.livejournal.com
Heh.

I think it helps if your partner is familiar with her own body, too. Which is why I hate modern Western culture for discouraging women from exploring their sexuality. I mean, how's a girl supposed to know what kind of attention is best if she's never found that out for herself?

I mean, like I said, never had a problem, but even I take a LOT of repetition of what feels good.

Date: 2008-02-20 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
So true. Women that do not understand how their own bodies work must need be a labour of love.

Thank you, that's answered a question I haven't asked.

Date: 2008-02-20 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alicetheowl.livejournal.com
Yeah, I probably should've warned you, once the subject comes up, I'm TMI Central. ^ v ^;

Date: 2008-02-20 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thaliastrel.livejournal.com
Not presuming to speak for women, but it can happen the other way round.

Date: 2008-02-20 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
I'm sure....(did I say that aloud?)

Date: 2008-02-20 11:01 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-02-21 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tripinthehead33.livejournal.com
I've been trying to recollect on past events, and to be honest, I don't think any of the girls I've been with have had an issue with not having that. Perhaps it has to do with the type of girls I attract, but *shrugs* I dunno. There was never any issues involved with stimulation on their end there. Not without insane amounts of alcohol anyhow.

Date: 2008-02-21 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Weed is more debauched than alcohol. Which is another plus.

Date: 2008-02-21 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tripinthehead33.livejournal.com
*nods* Indeed. I have to wonder, did these folks bother testing other holes for fun points at all?

Date: 2008-02-21 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Doubt it: I think the exploration was confined to the obvious.

I have known a woman who claimed to be able to orgasm from the stroking of her breasts. I didn't (to my subsequent chagrin) investigate further, given at the time I was otherwise engaged; but the notion lives in memory as a possibility.

Now where's my damme peacock feather?

Date: 2008-02-21 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tripinthehead33.livejournal.com
Its possible with certain women, I can attest to that. There is a variation in sensitivity, the girl in question liked to say it was the smaller they were, the more sensitive they were. *shrugs* It would make sense, technically, if there was no variation in the nervous system set up, and there were more nerve endings per square inch I suppose.

Please !

Date: 2008-02-21 05:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ankh156.livejournal.com
The mental image of all these intelligent and well-meaning people bumping and grinding away at each other in the desperate hope of being momentarily less miserable is enough to put a chap of his wheaties...

Re: Please !

Date: 2008-02-21 10:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Eat your breakfast and don't complain. Some folk don't have breakfast to put on the table.

Date: 2008-02-21 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
*scratches head*
this silly genital fascination people have over sex is ... somewhat odd. I always thought it was a whole-body thing. (and I've never had any argument from past partners *heh*)

*shrugs* I'm pretty clueless of some stuff though. Guess it's a good question to ask for science...

Date: 2008-02-21 10:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
I tend to think of sex as being a 'head' thing as well as a whole body thing.

Date: 2008-02-21 11:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
Well, one's head is key. It's THE erogenous zone ;)

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